17:22:04 So, a brief before we start anything, all the slides that you're going to see were made with visuals, made by secrecy for all, which is an organization that I both work and volunteer in and have been doing so for a few years now. 17:22:26 It is an international organization dedicated to spread the accuracy as a governance system. 17:22:29 And why PC, that is where we are. And that's the idea to learn more about Dr. CNYPZM to learn specifically about how it can be a good fit for what you see as the governance system or decision making system. 17:22:43 All of the slides if you like them, you can feel free to copy them and use them for your own purposes. 17:22:49 As long as you credit to Secretary for our, and you put the little logo on the left hand corner, which is the license for it. Creative Commons license, which is basically says like hey, this was made by sofa. 17:23:00 Please don't sell it. 17:23:04 The KYC the next slide please. 17:23:11 So, before getting into the details and talking about what it is you actually want to go into this one, I'd like us to take a step back and ask you, what are organizations, and more specifically, I'd like to ask you how many organizations do you participate 17:23:29 in Julissa Can you click Next. 17:23:33 And don't answer the question yet, think about it and put it in the chat where everyone can see it but don't click into yet. 17:23:41 Think about it. 17:23:43 Close your eyes and count how many organizations you participate in. 17:23:52 And if you have it, actually. Now I'm going to think of my answer was, we all have it I'm gonna ask us all to click into so that we see each other's numbers and see if we got different answers without being influenced by what the other stopped. 17:24:05 But let me think of my answer from an organization that participant ID. 17:24:20 Okay. 17:24:21 I'm answer. 17:24:25 A. Please enter your answer into the chat we're wanting to get a number of how many organizations you participate in. 17:24:36 And it's in for 10 847165 17:24:45 capacity. 17:24:47 Joseph Can you click next slide, like the to go to the next slide, I'll just give the next bullet point. 17:24:55 Cool. And then now I'd like you to, I'd like to ask you, like what organizations to to to think of anybody feel moved to go first. 17:25:08 I'm actually going to go with whoever said the most who said was it 10 LU said as the owner surely. 17:25:15 Which ones did you think of them out, or yeah sure what are they like their name or what are they. 17:25:24 So there are a lot of like political ones. 17:25:36 A lot of ones relating to my school so like Student Government different line says that my school. Different like racial justice on. Um, let's see. I'm also part of this humanitarian advocacy organization. 17:25:46 And so, let's see, I do stuff with them but then a lot of Allied organizations. 17:25:56 I don't know. 17:25:59 Cool. 17:26:00 And then just to see what's on the other end Carlene says you put one, we're thinking of white this year were you thinking of another one, and I'm just assuming incorrectly. 17:26:11 Just want to see. Cool. Joseph Can you click Next. 17:26:20 And then one more next. 17:26:23 And I'm going to ask Did anyone think of school. 17:26:27 Did anyone consider school when they say what organization to participate in. 17:26:32 If so, please be going on. 17:26:36 Nope. 17:26:48 Would you consider it. Would you consider school in the list or not. Kind of William, I'm seeing a hard not hard know you want to say more. 17:26:54 Yeah, definitely. I feel like especially for younger people because schools mandatory for us we're at least supposed to be mandatory for us, but I feel like school is mandatory. 17:27:05 We are technically supposed to go to school and so it's not really a choice and be a part of that organization just, we have to be there. 17:27:14 Cool. So it isn't organization, maybe it's just compulsory in like not ideal, but it's kind of what I'm hearing you saying, a far. I saw you signal with your hand kind of yes no you're on the fence you want to share anything. 17:27:28 I mean, I was the mean more of like the things like clubs I guess I'm a part of in school and things I participate in. I feel like that in itself can be deemed like an organization because that's like another commitments and another like time they enter 17:27:44 your time that you're committing to things like that. So, and I could, I kind of consider that like as particular like why PC all of that like basketballs in the same category so I think so. 17:27:58 Cool, thanks for sharing a, by the way, I just realized I'm going a lot by what I see your reactions, they on your cam so if you don't have your camera on the, please feel free to share things on the chat and I'll try to fall it out sometimes maybe Forget 17:28:15 it, but most of you, if anyone else sees something in the chat that I'm not acknowledging it and you want to please unmute yourself and just say freely. 17:28:25 A, then I'm gonna ask another minute question also hi Samantha. 17:28:30 If you want to say anything to check in and just say hi, please do. Hi. Sorry I'm late. 17:28:36 It's all good. the only thing that we've done so far as we checked in. We shared a little bit about who we are, and I were just talking about what organizations and what you see on the slide is the only thing that we've talked about so far. 17:28:47 A. Next slide please join us I'm going to ask now. Does anyone think of family. 17:28:56 When it organizations. 17:28:59 I'm seeing mostly knows. 17:29:02 Darius you're shaking your head you wanna, you want to share. 17:29:06 Yeah. I didn't, I mean I thought about it briefly but I didn't put it because, like, my immediate family right now is one other person by kind of like the idea, because it's people together making decisions together, 17:29:25 people making decisions together. Sounds like you're getting into the direction that we're going to go I'm going to ask another one. Did anyone think of the government or anything similar like that, whether it's you know like hyper local your borough 17:29:38 city neighborhood. 17:29:41 US government. New York State any level of government didn't want to think about it, even if you didn't count it into Do you think like maybe that type of organization or institution count in Jewish him to quit. 17:29:53 Next slide. 17:29:56 Now on anybody have any thoughts they'd like to share about that in any way that they want to share about government, whether it's strong opinions on yes it is yes it is not a, for example, William when you spoke about school you mentioned man, not really 17:30:13 excited about putting it on there since it's mandatory and you kind of have to be there. 17:30:17 Oftentimes with government that's even so much more the case, since one is just born somewhere in between basically. 17:30:27 The main idea that I have with this reflection is thinking about two things. 17:30:33 One is what is an organization maybe doesn't have a like a super clear definition. I like the one that Deborah was hinting at, you know, like a group of people that makes. 17:30:43 I don't know if you saw but Samantha had her hand raised. 17:30:47 Yeah, I did not see it. I did not see the hundred so if you want to share. 17:30:52 Yeah, I don't think I can consider government as an organization, because when I think of organization I think of something that anyone can join and anyone can kind of, you know, working toward a certain goal, but with government, especially like the 17:31:08 United States government I don't think that's something like regular people can do. 17:31:13 So it's like, it's a little like. 17:31:17 It's like borderline confusion, where I were like, if you're in government and you are an elected official, then you can kind of consider it as an organization. 17:31:27 But if you're like someone who isn't, then you know, where do you stand on this. 17:31:35 Right, a little bit. So if we pretended to go with Deborah's definition of what an organization as a group of people who make decisions together, then the government one is quite questionable right because not everyone who is a decision maker or especially 17:31:50 like an involved decision maker is an involved person right. 17:32:06 Government kind of compels people to be members of the organization whether you kind of want to or not. 17:32:14 A. 17:32:17 But it was the point that I'm trying to make Yes. One is that we can think of organizations basically as any group of people that meet to do something. 17:32:29 And as Debbie was saying, most groups of people who need to do things will have a decision making a decision making system. 17:32:39 And the other part is that 17:32:45 a lot of times, who we are is defined by the organizations that we participating, if you know somebody asked you, who are you, oftentimes the answer is who you spend time with, and the things that you are doing the things that you're doing, and all the 17:33:08 things that we do. 17:33:06 Like all human activities are carried out by some type of group of people. No single human activities carried out on its own. 17:33:09 Can you get to the next slide too so please. 17:33:18 Some questions too, so it's not just me talking. 17:33:23 And basically, what do you think we organizing groups, when we think what do you think we formed organizations what is their overall purpose, like, why, why organizations. 17:33:35 You feel move to answer. Please do. 17:33:52 Le. 17:33:54 Please, please, please. 17:33:58 I think organizations exists to have a like a collective purpose to do something so it could just be an alliance of people of like Black Student Union as an organization that gathers box students and maybe it doesn't have a specific like policy goal, 17:34:16 but has a goal of gathering people together and discussing things or. I think we talked about before like organization could be family and go a family is probably the stay tight knit, I don't know if we, if we consider that an organization and I think 17:34:34 just an organization in general is something that has a purpose of uniting people. 17:34:42 Thank you for sharing. I'm going to actually invite everyone to put something in the chat can just be a word or a phrase or anything. 17:34:51 In response to the question of why you think we organizing groups, and why from organizations. 17:34:56 And if you want to speak out loud enough to the chat please do by all means Carolyn Do you want to. 17:35:01 Yeah, I think that we organizing groups because I think there's like a saying that like we're stronger together something of that sort. And like basically if you get more stuff like band together and try to get it done instead of like working individually. 17:35:19 Um, so yeah I think that's why we're working on. 17:35:23 Yes, that one very much resonates with me basically getting getting stuff done that we couldn't achieve on our own. Right. 17:35:34 And that's I think the the main thing that characterizes humans as a species is that we do things together. 17:35:41 And if you think about it, like surviving as an individual, as a human, if we didn't have all the other comfortable comfortable life, that like life and togetherness provides that life and community provides would be quite rough, like if you just to go 17:36:00 out like survivor mode, into the wilderness, it'd be a rough time compared to, you know, sharing a roof with other people and putting a roof over one's head requires several people to like carry the stuff and build it together and things like growing 17:36:17 food and so on are just much more easily done by groups of people, then by a single individual. 17:36:26 And 17:36:29 the issue that I think is that we're so good at cooperating. And you know, putting a roof over our heads and getting computers that are made out of stuff that has to be mined from really far away and getting food from really far away and having an electricity 17:36:47 system that plugs into the computer and so on. We're so good at it, that it's invisible is like you can't see all the human collaboration that is putting it, you know, when I'm on my computer right now using it. 17:36:59 It's really easy to not take into consideration how much work and how many different humans lives. 17:37:04 Had to touch and how many organizations, had to touch the bits that make up my computer the tiny bits of plastic the power that's currently running through it, etc. 17:37:13 And so what I try to get at is like the collective nature of pretty much every single human endeavor. 17:37:20 And and we're so good at it that we forgotten you know we we are so good that we can get the idea that we were all alone, even though we're on our own. 17:37:35 In a small department that was made by other people using the power and the food and stuff that was made by human beings. 17:37:37 There's some stuff in the chat that I might be missing. 17:37:45 More power in groups than working along in the same direction to know your ideas are valid. Yeah, so basically thinks things in a way become more mature they become a real cure them validated by others. 17:37:57 Right. So at the same if I repeat something to myself then if I say it out loud and someone hears it and not when I say it. 17:38:05 use each other's skills, sense of community and support a connection. 17:38:13 I like working with people when I have choice. 17:38:16 We organize out of love to a like when we're empathic with each other, or lives on our struggles. 17:38:22 It's not something we deal with alone are some probably reading them out loud so I can get rid of them but if you want to redrawn a letter say more about them please do. 17:38:34 So hey, Orion, and if you want to say hi, we're kind of getting started, not really, we kind of have with ua but we're talking about the questions that you see on the slideshow. 17:38:45 And some people are putting their answers in the chat. 17:38:48 Don't say hi. 17:38:55 Yes. Hi everyone. We introducing ourselves or just saying hi. Well, please go ahead and introduce yourself since we haven't made sure. 17:39:05 My name is in that repentance and she is. And I'm still thinking about the question so I'll drop their responses on the chat. 17:39:16 And she is. And I'm still thinking about the question so I'll drop the responses on the chat. 17:39:18 Thank you. Yeah Hi everybody, my name is O'Brien. Was he in his. And I'm also taking in and reflecting 17:39:30 is so juicy would you quit. Next slide. 17:39:44 And next slide, 17:39:40 next next next a few next until that list is done and basically I have my own answers to, to, to these questions for when we're not as chatty in case the room is silent I just say my own answers, but a more important than what each one of them says individually. 17:39:53 I divided in two parts, which is what you see on the left side and the right side. And I think all of your answers kind of fit into the, into those two categories. 17:40:02 And on the left side is what it called, meaning needs or getting things done, achieving what the things that we can't do on our own, changing the world you know it. 17:40:13 Change happens through organizations I'm talking about social change, but it can be a new form of change, they want to talk about another one on the right side is the part about connection and logging, the community. 17:40:26 And just the fact that it feels good to see people after a long day, on your own. 17:40:31 In the computer or doing whatever it just feels nice to see other human basis and it's validating to like have i a contact into hear other people's voice into few listened. 17:40:44 And I feel like that the the idea of togetherness is like deeply ingrained into who we are as beings, and to click Next to the police. 17:40:56 Basically I think that the synthesizing those two things together. That's how we usually find or create meaning in our lives. 17:41:04 And it's basically magic. 17:41:08 It's a. 17:41:12 Basically, it feels good to get stuff done. And especially if it's like with other people, and it's for other people. 17:41:30 And there's just something like really really heavy on you know accomplishing something, or you're familiar with one day, he's a he's a rapper and poet from the Twin Cities, and you want to get familiar with one to know one day as a line, there's quite 17:41:45 So what are you going to build today. And similar to that, when we build something. I think there's something really deeply meaningful and fulfilling in building something like imagine a building imagine the very first few months that put together a building 17:41:57 of whatever sort it was where there was a template, a temple or a house or you know they put rocks and materials together. 17:42:04 And then they start in the looked at it together. 17:42:07 And they saw piece of themselves, of who they are as a collective. 17:42:13 That just sitting there on that thing that they built together. 17:42:22 And they say, you know, the people after us in generations to come. They won't know our names and faces, but they'll see a piece of us by what we built together. 17:42:27 And I think that that gives meaning to our lives, basically getting things done together and building, building things together. And that's what I mean by just saying, to like it stays beyond ourselves and it stays even beyond it stays beyond their individual 17:42:40 selves and stays beyond our collective selves throughout time. 17:42:46 In next slide. 17:42:48 So Carlene your hand this race but it has been raised since the last time you spoke but if you want to say something more please do. 17:42:59 And. 17:43:00 Does anybody want to say anything else about the previous slide, before I switch gears into something less, maybe less touching 17:43:11 anyone anything. Also if you have questions if I speak too fast if the weather is because not to you please please please do actually feel free to interrupt on not just the chat but just straight up on you and say hey I'm not. 17:43:25 You're going too fast or I don't understand that word right to know what you're talking about. Please don't write 17:43:32 a. 17:43:33 In that case, a, we talked about humans being inherently social beings and doing things together and working together as a way to get things done and to meet our most basic needs. 17:43:48 Like, shelter, food, etc. 17:43:54 And 17:43:57 because of that, because everything we do, we do two organizations, I think it's important to pay close attention to how we shape our organizations, because ultimately that shapes how our life is shaped how our realities should, because if we're creating 17:44:12 our reality through organizations. Then, the way that we organize our organizations, the way that we structure them this foundation we're going to structure the way that our reality shipped. 17:44:24 So, I have a tiny example, a silly example, Josie would you give to two clicks. 17:44:34 Any thinking of governance which we can take a moment later if we want to talk about like, What does governance actually mean but let's whatever pops into your head without words. 17:44:49 It's time. It's thinking about in terms of social technology. 17:44:47 So, the technology part, 17:44:51 imagine imagine it with any technology like a cell phone or a stapler. And it's that it has a why or what and the how the Why is its function or its purpose which in the case of a stapler is to staple. 17:45:07 What is a. 17:45:11 What is how is designed so stapler has the shape of stapler a shape that allows it to staple it carries staples in it. It carries the another function that puts the stapler and keeps it put there. 17:45:24 And how is its behavior. In the case of a stapler. It is stable. That is what the students. 17:45:31 There would you do two more clicks to us a piece. 17:45:34 And I know it sounds like a silly example because we've all seen staple probably used it, we probably don't use it as much. Now that everything's digital, but the same type of thing can be applied to organizations, if we see organizations is a technology. 17:45:49 A organizations is a technology because we realized hey, we can actually grow more food or get things done quicker or meet more needs, if we do it in groups you know it's easier to carry things that are heavy, it's easier to carry it amongst five people 17:46:01 in security mom wants person. 17:46:05 So, if our organizations have the vision the mission the aims, the purpose, the why behind them is to change the world, to change how power works to redistribute power to a include young people to empower young people, etc. 17:46:23 to democratize, then its structure, the way that it's designed should be one that does that too, or that reflects that. In other words, a structure that also shares power that also includes a young people, that it's also about democratizing, etc. 17:46:42 and that way it can be part of its what it does, every day, it's reality. 17:46:46 So the idea is to align these three. These three levels of being the why the what and the how would you click on an excellent to listen 17:46:59 and governance. 17:47:02 I think works primarily at the structural level. That's not to say only, but the structural level, which is the shape the shape of a stapler, not the fact that it's tables, not the fact, not the drawing of stupid but the shape that it has. 17:47:14 And I think governance works primarily at the structural level, 17:47:25 but a little bit more of a. What I mean by this and more than what I mean, where I'm coming from. with that you can use the previous one. 17:47:36 There is a couple of readings that I have there in the description of this slide, and I'm going to put them in the chat. 17:47:50 There were says, never heard the term social technology. 17:47:55 I think that's common, And it's debatable how much of a metaphor, it is. 17:48:00 And I've actually recently encountered some comrades who are more birth than I am on it, and you know that the definitions definitions of a technology. 17:48:16 And between the technology and a technique so it's like agricultural technology is language technology because it's something that's useful than that we developed together to facilitate other things that we do. 17:48:29 Putting a couple of readings in the chat, and I can mention them briefly. 17:48:34 But, on the example of the White House framework. 17:48:41 For example, 17:48:41 in 17:48:44 the 20th century in the last century, there were a bunch of really really really radical organizations that in there why they were all about the equity. 17:48:59 A Oregon terrorism or whatever word or framework they use Word. 17:49:04 I'm thinking of Marxists movements and thinking of socialist movements. I'm thinking of a unions you know like work units like labor unions, thinking of the Black Panther Party etc. 17:49:15 They're very clear that you know, society amongst equals was the why behind they're doing. 17:49:22 But in the what in the design of their structure their organizations were very much designed the old fashioned way with hierarchies, and with central ism. 17:49:33 And so, no matter how much work they did and I hope I'm not saying that that I'm not grateful for all the work they did I very much admire them, but they will see an inherent limitation and how the organization was designed, which was a top down, centralist 17:49:50 one. And that also made it easily corruptible in time. 17:49:55 And that's where a lot of them don't really exist anymore. 17:49:58 that is that is one example of what I mean. 17:50:01 The other example. The next one is associating structure. 17:50:12 A basically we think that we don't like associating structures in general with structures we don't like for example in the case of school or the government we mentioned where it's like, now you know I'm not even to mention it as an organization because 17:50:24 I didn't really sign up for it. Quite the contrary they signed me up for it without my consent. 17:50:32 And so oftentimes in social movement spaces, we tend to be allergic to structures. 17:50:38 And we say hey we don't have hierarchies, we don't have any structures here. 17:50:43 And basically when when we pretend to have no structures, we end up, invisible, you're not paying attention to the structures that we actually have, and we end up having invisible, a power dynamics that are just as unhealthy as other ones, you know, in 17:50:55 the in the classroom, it's very explicit that the teacher is in charge. Then oftentimes when we get together in a group and we don't establish a who's in charge or we don't have the pleasure of seeing we were in charge together and this is how we operate 17:51:06 this is how that looks in practice. 17:51:08 Then we tend to what feels familiar to us. And what feels familiar to us is hierarchies. And that's why we end up doing the things that we don't like a couple of readings that I have on that. 17:51:20 One of them is called the tyranny of structure looseness, I always have trouble seeing that word tyranny of know structures, by Joel Freeman. 17:51:28 She writes about it in the, in the context of the women's movement in the 70s. 17:51:34 And then another one by a comment of mine. A called Ted, and it's called the myth, the myth of natural flow, and it speaks more about this was your credit gasping. 17:51:44 So, one is a little more old fashioned and what I mean about the 20th century and more from a social movements perspective. 17:51:50 The other one is from a more organizational side and speaking more to the chapters. 17:51:58 Next one. 17:52:01 Next slide, please. 17:52:06 Alright, so we can we can stop being so abstract about organizations and groups and 20th century revolutionary movements and think about social policy itself. 17:52:19 descending anybody know of the top what social accuracy means or not even what it means but what what you think it means 17:52:28 also know pronunciation. Some people say, social Chrissy. 17:52:32 That's okay, I don't know, I don't know that there is a correct way. 17:52:36 I see it so CR Chrissy. 17:52:38 Does anybody want to answer what means either out loud or in the chat. 17:52:43 There's no right or wrong answers. It can be whatever it means to you what you've heard what it reminds you of what it sounds like. 17:52:53 It sounds similar to something in another language that's also a valid. 17:52:59 I see community far do you want to share more. 17:53:03 I mean I'm just seeing how so geographies played out here and I think one really big thing that we kind of like really like liked about so she obviously was like the community and how it really united us together and like it didn't create a divide but 17:53:15 really just created more relationships. 17:53:19 So just not a network or relationships. 17:53:24 Cool. Anyone else want to share. I'll do another leading question. Can you put the next question, please. 17:53:33 Yeah Carlene Please go on 17:53:39 our side and I think that's, like, kind of always been covering and, 17:53:46 I think, 17:53:51 and Alice NYC and I'm sure there's no practice distributed leadership. 17:53:56 And it's horrible because circles where everyone was together, instead of like just being like a pyramid. 17:54:10 So in order for us to maybe dig deeper into the word I thought of dividing it into the two main halves of the word, so to speak. One of them is Celsius, you will want to crappy or crappy kind of awkward to pronounce it without the previous one but okay. 17:54:28 Does anybody know what either of those me or their associates, or crossing. 17:54:40 Yes, Ellie please 17:54:43 hundred percent sure but i'd guessed that like cross he has to do something with government, because like, it has in common like democracy autocracy about sort of thing. 17:54:56 And a socio is like, similar to Sociology so I guess like maybe has something to do with like society, but not sure, that is entirely certain crises exactly the same as in democracy Celsius exactly the same as in sociology, a society, etc. 17:55:16 and a what socialist means his friend, or peer in ancient Greek. 17:55:37 And what cross he or cut your means comes from gratis in Greek, which some people roughly translate to governance, or the exercise of power, or force, or strength. 17:55:44 The deeper you go into an ancient languages, the less clear the translations get. 17:55:51 But what I like about separating the two, the associates in the crafting a is that it shows okay associates is Pierce and crossing means governance, or decision making. 17:56:06 Then its decision making by those who associate together. 17:56:10 In other words, pure governance, a one way that it gets stated like the most basic definition of sociology is those who associate together those who work together, decide together, which is I think a good a concise definition, and it points to the fact 17:56:31 that it's a system for self management, right. What is, what is annoying or problematic about the cases that we mentioned like school and governance is those who are the decision makers are not oftentimes those most affected or those most actively participating. 17:56:48 The opposite of that and because of self management is those work together, decide together 17:56:57 to go to the next slide please do with them. 17:57:02 And what I like about also putting together the roots associates in the classy, is that it makes evidence sort of the two different organizational paradigms. 17:57:24 That's accuracy trusted to synthesize to balance a one is the traditional the hierarchical one, the one that we're familiar with, then when that happens in most schools, they want that the government carries etc. 17:57:35 which is, you know, some people have more decision making power than others. And some can decide over others in that a set to save time in the short term, perhaps, yes. 17:57:45 If you think about it, if you show up to school one day and the teacher says okay what do you want to do class let's come to the decision together. Maybe it's actually pretty hard to come to a decision that meets the needs of all 30 people in the classroom 17:57:56 together, let alone the whole school. 17:57:58 So there's something practical in showing up to school every day and knowing you don't really have to decide what's going on, you know like someone's going to decide for you it's actually kind of comfortable to just sit back and like somebody already 17:58:13 already planned the agenda for the rest of the day. But we know that there's also a downside to that, obviously, it hurts us to not have to say, especially in the things that deeply affect us you know in the case of schools like we're going to spend every 17:58:24 single day of our lives for a solid 12 years doing that like it'd be nice to have at least some say, so it becomes painful rather quickly. 17:58:33 And on the other side of the spectrum, we see in a very egalitarian governance, the gala Terry and coming from. 17:58:41 Meaning, roughly the same as equal. 17:58:46 And what's nice about about 10 is everybody has the same, it's nice to have our voices heard it's validating it, but if every single day. We tried to come to a consensus among 30 people on every single one of all the decisions that we have to make a, 17:59:04 then that gets pretty understandable pretty quickly. 17:59:08 And so it's acknowledging both of these things, their their their paradigms their ideas, their patterns, they're not you know entirely one in the same thing one is never entirely or your organization is always 100% ago turn an organization, it's also 17:59:25 100% hierarchical either you know in the classroom. I always, always talk about the classroom because school was such a hierarchical experience but I can always chat with teachers you know they're they're like, there is a channel for communication there 17:59:34 is a part of our human recognition of each other. 17:59:37 a part of our human recognition of each other. So they're abstractions they're not to be taken seriously. But in the middle, in the intersection of the diagram, which by the way if you can't see the grammar diagram, it's two circles, between the two I mean it hasn't mentioned in the 17:59:50 middle. This is the accuracy, trying to say okay what are the best. 17:59:54 What are the what are the needs that each one of these systems where these paradigms are trying to meet, which is to be inclusive into more than save time, I know that diagram saves time, the more than saving time, it is to get things done in an organization 18:00:11 wants to build houses then building houses is the criteria of how to be effective, more than saving more than how fast you actually build them. 18:00:23 Would you go to the next slide please. 18:00:32 What I like about putting those two together, if we think back to the. 18:00:40 And the moment, the beginning when we ask ourselves why organizations. And I sort of divided the list into two categories and one was the ones for connection. 18:00:49 And the other one was the list for getting things done. I think each paradigm. 18:01:01 Attends, or you have to have this interesting, interesting ideas. Okay, Bye O'Brien if you have to leave. 18:01:03 Oh, you already left. 18:01:20 And there was a. What I like about that that diagram. And what I like about splitting secrecy into the two main bits of the word of words that compose it is that one speaks to the part of getting things done and achieving things in specifically meeting 18:01:22 needs, we need human needs like our most basic ones for shelter, food, etc. 18:01:27 And the other one is to the connection and the belonging the community, the fact that it feels good to be around other people, the togetherness. 18:01:37 And that if we see them as human needs, basically, if we acknowledge that you know doing things in groups is more effective can yield better results in you know material things like growing food or getting water. 18:01:52 And we acknowledge that connection and being heard and feeling togetherness, is also part of our basic needs, just as basic as water, food, shelter, etc. 18:02:03 Then they don't have, they don't have to be, you know, pulling in different directions. The two energies don't have to be in conflict with each other, they can they can be one in the same. 18:02:15 And I have somewhat of a visual visual metaphor. But basically, if the one for effectiveness and getting things done is represented by forward motion like linear motion. 18:02:31 And the other one of togetherness and connection is represented by the circle, sitting down with each other, and speaking and seeing each other's faces as equals, then it never has to be solely forward motion or solely a circle, but it can be a spiral. 18:02:49 And they called the spiral of intentionality, what's your power. 18:02:53 And I just talked for a long time so I'm curious to hear how any of this is sitting with you. 18:02:59 Any type of reaction question you want to share. 18:03:06 Thus far, can you actually repeat what you just said about the circle and the spiral. Yeah. 18:03:18 If togetherness, what is kind of in the slide that you just had what is currently on the right side of the slide, which is equivalents together connection, etc. 18:03:30 if it's represented by the circle. 18:03:33 And if we see the other side that's on the left side, which is effectiveness getting things done. Meaning our material needs like food, water, shelter etc. 18:03:42 And we represented with forward motion like walking together, like we knew. 18:03:48 It doesn't have to be either one or the other or one is more important than the other, but together they can enforce each other. And the way that I visually represent that is the Spiral Spiral of intentionality, and basically Uh huh. 18:04:02 When does it make most sense to get everyone's needs for this proposal to be a really good proposal, or when do we just really need a proposal, and it doesn't really matter that it'd be all that good, or that it incorporate, or they incorporate every 18:04:16 single voice. 18:04:20 I feel like I had another thought I was reminded by which you asked to this 18:04:28 spiral. 18:04:37 Getting Things Done. 18:04:36 It'll come back. 18:04:39 Anyone else questions reactions about any of this doesn't have to be about this slide or what we just said but the whole workshop so far. 18:05:05 Oh, I know what I was gonna say. 18:05:08 Another way to phrase the same idea, which is the one behind the main one that I think behind sociology so seriously the practice in sociology the word divided Association crusty, and also that is captured in the phrase that you see there that says shared 18:05:25 power. A is we walk, but we walk together and to be together but to keep on walking, and that it doesn't have to be either or. 18:05:46 It is if we find if we fine tune our senses to each other, then they can be one in the same. Last call for reactions. Ooh, I see I'm seeing the chat, I really liked the spiral visual. 18:06:00 No, he said. Love that first said. Anyone else a chance to react before. 18:06:04 I talked a little bit more. I bear with me he'll only be a few more minutes and then we can start planning it on my PC. 18:06:12 Ready. 18:06:15 So that's enough about this yeah Chris in the abstract, what it actually looks like. We have a saying here in Mexico. I don't know how well it translates. 18:06:24 But basically, when you asked when you tell someone about something. 18:06:27 And they've never heard of it before like in the case of secrecy sounds weird. It's not really easy to pronounce. Then they say Huh, what do you eat that with, or how do you eat that. 18:06:38 So, we can stop talking about the abstract concepts and think of how it's actually eating to secrecy. Did you give me the next slide to this a piece, how it looks in practice, 18:06:53 we just looked at the main design principles behind it, how it looks in practice is that it has three main tools. 18:07:02 A, which is decision making by consent, its monster boss, can you go back one slide please to listen. 18:07:10 And then, organizational structure we linked circles circles being groups of people that are not that big. You know that are big enough to be able to speak by rounds and still be able to be slightly efficient with people speaking in rounds and doing by 18:07:31 consent. And lastly, the one at the bottom, continuous evolution by feedback, which means a evaluating and assessing constantly, how much we're meeting our needs. 18:07:43 And if you see at the top it says steering towards the aim. 18:07:46 Maybe that's not evident with a pie chart, but a governance, the word governance or the word government, with its roots means something. And I mean it's all attention looks like recruits means something roughly equivalent to a steering wheel, and to steering. 18:08:06 And so, governance maybe sounds like a not so intuitive, or where if we were to say what is governance maybe we could get into the weeds, but a really short and simple answers means it steering, if we're moving forward, how do we stay together. 18:08:20 And at the bottom you see it still says, effective, and again, I'll turn as the two main design principles that we talked about earlier. 18:08:28 And I'm going to go into each one of those three different tools, one by one, just mentioning them. 18:08:36 Next slide to the police. 18:08:38 The first one rounds and consent, basically the main premise of sociology is to keep decision making group small enough. 18:08:49 A where everybody's voice can be heard. I think the limit of that is around 10 people but, of course, it doesn't have to be a rigid limit, it depends on a facilitator, but speaking in rounds, making sure everybody's heard, making sure everybody has a 18:08:59 turn, making sure everybody has had first before anyone gets seconds, is another way of phrasing it, and it's it's evident how these how doing rounds and consent honors the part about a Gallatin ism, and the part about connection and the part about feeling 18:09:22 heard the part of being part of the group. A, but it also, in a way, honors the part of effectiveness, because it allows us to tap into what we call collective intelligence. 18:09:30 If a group is small enough and participate through rounds and ensures equality through rounds, or equivalents through rounds, then it gets to be psychologically safe, we are in each other's trust in the, in the process we built actually trust in the process. 18:09:45 So you feel more at ease with saying, you know what, I'm actually concerned. I'm actually concerned that if we carry that out this proposal will will actually, you know, step on our own tools. 18:09:58 If you think about it that's way harder to do and to feel comfortable with doing in a group of people whom the other net. 18:10:05 And in a group where you don't necessarily have a turn, you know, it's very different to object. If you have to raise your hand and interrupt someone in order to object. 18:10:13 Then, if you're asked. So in that way, in the part of you know having having groups, think as a, as a unit and as a group, and also going with the idea of, we can achieve more together than we can on our own, a ransom consent, while it seems like maybe 18:10:29 it makes things slower. It also makes things more effective by making us smarter collectively, and putting more information on the table for decisions. 18:10:39 Next one, please to listen. 18:10:44 The other part about circles, is basically, if we want to keep groups of people, a small enough that they can go around and you're psychologically safe, and then an organization of, you know, 100 people need to have several different circles or selves 18:11:05 units of decision making. 18:11:09 And the idea is that these different circles, if they want to work towards the same name. 18:11:15 They ought to be coordinated. 18:11:19 And so we try to strike a balance in decentralized coordination between how much we delegate outside of the center how much we decentralized decision making and the other group the power of like okay Hey, you're in charge of this part of the organization 18:11:33 you know you're in charge of running our social media we trust you with a running the, the social media of the whole organization, you subset of people just five people. 18:11:43 And when it, we give you the power to make decisions on what goes on social media, and therefore authority they have the final say. 18:11:52 But with that authority to make decisions and what goes on social media, comes the shared responsibility to have the input of the whole organization on what on how the organization wants to be represented on social media. 18:12:08 And so it's striking that balance between autonomy and interdependence, and that is usually done with the double link that you see there in the individual, it's a set of circles and it has these dotted lines that are aimed at representing dotted lines 18:12:26 with arrows going through the circles that are aimed at representing how information flows. 18:12:34 And basically, that's how you know, and circle from the outer skirts, you know, which has the most delegated responsibility of something as specific as social media posts can get the information of okay what what is the organization need from us. 18:12:49 Because what they're doing they're doing it, autonomously and that they have the final saying that they have the freedom to act, but they're doing it as a service of the whole of the organization. 18:12:59 So it's a name to strike that balance. 18:13:02 A. Oh, by the way, quick parentheses. 18:13:05 This, the session we're having right now is aim to be the first of a series of four workshops and the three main tools that are mentioning right now. 18:13:19 Aim to be the main topic of each session. 18:13:21 So coming session will be talking specifically about this, about circle structures. 18:13:27 And next slide, to listen. 18:13:32 And lastly, the one about evaluation cycles. 18:13:36 And the other one about steering continuous feedback is basically a let's evaluate in short periods of feedback, which we in software called lead do measure where you make a plan, lead you execute the plan, you do. 18:13:57 And you measure it. 18:14:10 How much did this meet our expectations. How much did this meet the need that we were trying to meet, you know, am basically the idea is when you're when you're driving when you're steering. you want to make minor adjustments here and there. 18:14:13 Instead of radically changed directions. 18:14:17 In 180 degree turns. 18:14:20 Often, or not often at all. 18:14:22 So, If we're constantly making adjustments. 18:14:27 And we have with better chances of failing fast and failing safe and feeling often so that we get better, and we learn things from every time. 18:14:40 A. 18:14:40 Next one, next one. 18:14:46 Oops. Before answering those questions. I'm going to be done. I'm actually done talking. 18:14:50 So if you have questions or reactions to the whole bit before we start sharing more of a dialogue on how to end it on my PC. 18:14:59 Please do. 18:15:15 Should I stop sharing my screen for this portion or clearly. 18:15:24 I'm good question. 18:15:43 A, why don't we put the questions that are in the next slide, which can I see them 18:15:38 as in the 18:15:44 want to put those questions in the chat, which I can copy real quick. 18:15:57 yc some reactions in the chat Carlene says I love how she was younger, she really focuses on finding balance, at least two 18:16:08 choices is nine nine. 18:16:11 Yeah, why don't we stop screen sharing, and we can take time to answer the questions and chat. 18:16:19 A. 18:16:20 But, do you have any other reactions or questions to all this bit that it should. 18:16:28 For example was any of it completely new to you. 18:16:31 Or does it all sound like. 18:16:34 That sounds crazy but never done that before. I'd be curious, actually, to get a sense 18:16:43 of well I spoke about felt familiar to me, but I think the concept of like a spiral. And what you just brought up like those specific things like how two things can live together and kind of flow is, is helpful and I'm making connections to integrate 18:17:01 and how they govern. 18:17:09 Awesome. 18:17:10 I will see a disclaimer. 18:17:12 Many of those things, like the spiral. They're my own twist on things once you start to see things like maybe if you go to the sofa page you won't see as much mentioned about, about the spiral unless I made the blog post, then you will. 18:17:28 But they're not as universal cover curvy says it all sounds familiar but now I can better explain exactly what it was awesome. Cool. So it sounds like it was clarifying with things that you were familiar with before, far, I saw an emoji Do you want to 18:17:45 share. No, I really liked how you came up with your own concept I can associate think that's so easy. And if you ever read the blog post well at. 18:17:54 Please send it our way would love to see that and also just like really nice to see how like this is really informative for me to know as a facilitator when because there are times, we're all gonna have to facilitate having these extra sales as and having 18:18:08 the background as to why like we do rounds is really important. 18:18:15 Yeah, same as like when I facilitate I oftentimes in john those two energies and to try to readjust and see like Who am I, leaning too much in one direction, am I really trying to do things with balance so I think also someone else in the chat so the 18:18:28 idea of balances. I think pretty overarching throughout. 18:18:35 Anyone else want to share. Yeah. 18:18:39 So I decided to take some meetings outside of our PC and people noticed that my facilitation had changed like since joining YVCO like, oh, like, wow, that's that's cool like, what about like consenting to this agenda I'm like, Where did that come from. 18:18:55 And I think it's like a testament to like, how much that works and like how someone was commenting, like, about how much more comfortable it made everyone to feel that like everyone was on the same page the entire time so I think it really shows that 18:19:13 like, why Pc is like really dedicated to uplifting people's voices and making sure that like meetings are engaging for all members, and I think it really speaks to the vision about like uplifting youth voices in particular and, like, because I think youth 18:19:30 are especially sometimes excluded from things are not consulted and it makes sure that in it. And this sort of way facilitating and just wave governance, General, make sure that, like that all participants are included and and voices are heard. 18:19:48 Awesome. 18:19:49 Yeah, I was thinking, a in the in facilitation. I think also the spiral becomes evident. 18:19:56 If you think that the facilitator is trying to move the group forward like linearly throughout the agenda, like, top to bottom the agenda document, but to do so to round so then you just spiraling your way down the agenda. 18:20:13 And then, let's talk landing it on my PC. 18:20:17 How does any or every of all of this, if any, relate to white PC to its mission efficient and it seems. 18:20:27 It's values, where it's day to day activities, and for that one I'm actually gonna ask for around a, an F, you want to go first. 18:20:42 Yeah. Can you repeat the last question. 18:20:46 Yeah, how any of this, it any bits we covered in the workshop or the presentation part and relate to white BC. 18:20:55 And why PC in general, did like its mission and attain its day to day activities, what do you do directly with it, etc. 18:21:03 Oh, Yes, um, I, I think, What, like what we learned. 18:21:10 We are like, it's helpful to have a structure for it or like no, like this is what it is because I feel like a lot of what we went over like at least we can meet like you're already doing. 18:21:22 I didn't necessarily know like okay it's, it exists within the structure and it's like for these reasons, I think going which was like really helpful. 18:21:32 And I think it's like helpful to introduce it as that maybe when we have like new members like like that like we're doing this like intentional intentionally. 18:21:42 I sound like one of the slides, it talks about like intentionality. So, yeah, if you're like a lot of organizations maybe like don't take the time to be like, I have also brought these practices into like my meeting spaces and stuff like that and before 18:21:58 like I don't know. We before we were like barely having chickens. So I feel like this, like having like structures like this and like having rounds and stuff like that, like, really helped make sure that everybody was included in this space. 18:22:12 And like had like a voice. 18:22:19 Thank you. 18:22:20 Samantha. 18:22:22 You want to share how this relates to web see for you. 18:22:29 Is it okay if we come back to me, I'm still kind of like thinking of what to say. 18:22:35 Of course. And if I forget, but remind me to come back to him Carlene. 18:22:46 Yeah. 18:22:53 I'm not sad, by the way, so please excuse me background noise. But I see like back to what I said in the chat about how before, like it all sounds familiar but now I can better explain it. 18:23:01 So I think in terms of implementing all of this to my PC like we can really begin to, I guess, look at the practices better, and really see if we're passing it to the sentence will see obviously now that we know exactly what it is and how it really works. 18:23:17 I think that can help in terms of like facilitating meetings, or maybe like checking in with people over Slack, like any way that we kind of interact with each other in my PC we can kind of look and reflect and think is is following sociology and what 18:23:32 it is. 18:23:35 I love that I'm actually going to write that down for myself somewhere 18:23:43 Khadija you want to share anything. 18:24:01 Khadija Are you there. Come on. 18:24:07 Oh god bless you in the chat, I agree like everyone's input 18:24:15 Fire. Do you want to share anything. 18:24:17 Yeah, so it's actually really interesting to see the ins and outs of rounds and just everything in general boss geography and if there's so much more that I had no idea about and I feel like I feel you I feel like y'all humor tired voice, sorry it's long 18:24:38 a long day. I put an all nighter like I shouldn't have, do not recommend doing that. Um, but I really see like how this relates to mission. the mission, vision and aim is because since we're talking about balance we can see how we're how we're having 18:24:47 intergenerational space, we keep that balance of who's having power and who's like speaking you know like adults and I speaking too much because there's that balance and so she obviously helps keep that balance and I think that's such an important factor 18:24:59 in our space. And that's why we feel like our youth have so much. They feel like they have power but they feel empowered as well. 18:25:06 So, yeah, that's really cool. 18:25:11 And I'll add more in the chat because I cannot remember everything that I came up with. But yeah, 18:25:18 Thank you. 18:25:20 William, you want to share anything. 18:25:24 Yeah definitely like First I want to see this training so much new information like I have to take notes of some things because it's actually like some, some of it was really mind blowing. 18:25:33 Because the thing that hit me the most was the was household theocracy was an overlap between egalitarianism I think that's how you pronounce the word and hierarchy because, well, I also don't know what egalitarianism means, but I think it's, it's so 18:25:48 interesting because I always just thought hierarchy was a really bad thing but to see Sofia associate Chrissy being a combination of both egalitarianism anti hierarchy is like, oh wow I did not know that and then just adding on to things that people said 18:26:13 before like norms and rounds and consent, and actually bring these things to different spaces is so beneficial. 18:26:27 A quick clarification we have since you asked, you go to journalism comes from the French word editor, which literally translates to equality. But then in English, there's just no equal terrorism so that's where they call it he turns and. 18:26:33 But then of course there's the whole problem enticing on legal equality has been used in so many different ways, until we come up with alternatives like equity and equivalents and what the difference between all of those are depends on the context, but 18:26:48 they are roughly the same in be what it means in this specific case they aim to meet the same need, which is that everybody feels heard, 18:26:59 or that no one feels ignored, which maybe is just as important, led you want to share anything. 18:27:09 Um, I think I mostly shared a little bit about this question before so I think I'm going to pass. That's cool. Yeah, that's why I did that phrase right after I said like the daily already go to my bed, 18:27:26 just thrilled by hearing about how these practices have spread to other organizations are you taking it need to, like, there's this other origami that you should be implemented 60 accuracy. 18:27:39 On the slide. 18:27:41 Anything is so associated with how we are about the seven seas of client impact xe how Sochi obviously is about co creation. Being community LED. 18:27:55 And I'm imagining the future where again. Like if you have 10,000 members and everyone knows about Sochi accuracy and so now there's this ripple effect, and maybe eventually your school will be associated got it like I think they'll just feel so great 18:28:19 and it might be the one of the best things you do 18:28:20 to listen. 18:28:23 Yes, I'm 18:28:31 entering the questions right, are we still doing like we're entering the questions that I put in the chat, which is how does any of this relate to a PC. 18:28:43 And that's the rest of the agenda today so please don't, don't, don't, if you're saying something like, you're sipping something for later. Don't now's the time. 18:28:53 Okay. Guy, what was on my mind is that just similar to everyone, like having clear, a clear understanding for everything that that like made sense already but like, It's just now making the most sense. 18:29:10 Like the going in rounds creates trust, like that. Like, obviously you know but, um, yeah and. 18:29:22 Yeah, it's a lot of synchronicity with like just like Deborah pointed out with like how other orbs are working and like what you think should be implemented and like, what the training had. 18:29:32 So definitely processing it all. 18:29:36 And, 18:29:40 yeah, this what is power question, I gotta, you gotta get back to me on it. 18:29:50 A. Yeah, that's definitely as a number of blog posts sitting on it. 18:29:58 In, Samantha, back to you. 18:30:02 You wanna. 18:30:01 Oh, yeah. 18:30:04 Yeah, I haven't just want to say that I agree with what with, with everything that everyone has said, but I also want to say that I feel like both questions have like a connected answer, because with our mission or vision and our aims we all want some 18:30:22 form of, you know, collective impact and collaboration and just like a way where we all. 18:30:29 I don't know if governs the right word but like where we all work together to where like no one goal, multiple goals. 18:30:36 And I think that this is reflected in our meetings as well, with, you know, like everyone said like what the rounds and everything but the way that like we split up work, but in our circle we're all dependent on each other. 18:30:47 Just the way that our organization is dependent on each circle. 18:30:52 And I feel that this distribution of power like it's not really. Each member has like a job that's more important than you know someone else's and like know circle I feel is more important or less than another. 18:31:06 And I think that allows us to work in a place where not only where like we feel like we have power but like we actually have that power, like it's concrete it's not something that's like an idea or like that we have to sit and like hope around for because 18:31:21 like for us this is a reality. It's like with Deborah saying that like we want, like we she wants to see something with like 10,000 members I mean like, it's definitely something we can do because we were already doing that just like on an incredibly 18:31:35 smaller scale. 18:31:40 Thank you so much. 18:31:45 Hey, why don't we just do another round and if you want to take it in the direction of the second question of how the governance so secrecy relate to power and insertion intersection ality. 18:31:56 I also put what is power there in parentheses, I don't hope for us to come to a consensus on it but if that's in any way helpful to stimulate the reflection, or if you're just having any free reaction to what others are saying, etc. 18:32:11 Like, free round, take it anywhere you want to a net new logo, and please tell me from mispronouncing your name. 18:32:23 Yeah. 18:32:26 Can we come back to me. 18:32:30 Of course, Carlene. 18:32:37 Hey, I think. 18:32:48 Really cute. 18:32:54 Oh, sorry. Can you hear me now. That's much better. 18:32:57 Okay, great. 18:32:59 Um, yeah I think that is kind of loaded question to think about how governance and sociology relates to intersection ality and power. 18:33:10 So, I need a little bit more time to think about 18:33:20 Khadija, do that you want to share anything and everything. 18:33:49 I really like how it was presented. 18:33:52 Way more digestible to me now. I'm aligned. Awesome. 18:33:56 Thank you, having to hear that far. 18:34:02 This is like a really big question that I'm also like oh I don't even know how I should answer this, these are all a definitely collect collect connected without a doubt they're connected. 18:34:12 I'm just trying to figure out what's that point that connects all of them. And I think it just goes with power and balance I feel like those are the main points of how they're all connected. 18:34:22 And also I think identity plays in a role with this. 18:34:37 But yeah, I don't know exactly what is that specific point. 18:34:35 William. 18:34:38 Can I just like similar to what everyone else said it's very like it's such a broad question because literally everything is intersection all so I really don't know. 18:34:51 I'll pass. 18:34:56 Le. 18:35:00 Yeah, I definitely feel William sad about basically everything being International. 18:35:07 And I think I'll pass her now. 18:35:14 Never been to Russia. 18:35:17 I thought about power as the ability to change reality for yourself and others. 18:35:25 And that. 18:35:29 And so, decision making as part of that great who decides how what that reality will be, and how do we get there 18:35:38 from an intersection ality perspective, I think one thing we didn't talk about in this I'm very curious about, are things like, how can social justice and equity come together. 18:35:52 Because if, let's say let's go back to schools, if the people who decide the curriculum are in a curriculum circle, but they're all the teachers like that's not really equity, and hearing everyone's voices because students should be on that administrator 18:36:09 should be on that may be members of the community so with intersection ality I think a lot about like, yeah, whose voices are heard within the structure of a social product organization. 18:36:32 is to listen and Ellie. 18:36:36 Thank you. I'm so looking at the second question, I feel like there's a lot going on. 18:36:43 I feel like governance and socio Chrissy like governance, only. 18:36:51 Like, it can only stand as, and if you're thinking of governance SOC office it. 18:36:59 That makes sense. 18:37:01 Um, because governance and like just the way that like America, for example this day like it's not bad. Um, and so how that relates to power and intentionality is very interesting. 18:37:20 I think it's like, it's obviously like delegating the power. 18:37:29 But I think. 18:37:29 Yeah. 18:37:31 Like, then you have to define what power is and I really really liked Deborah's definition, because just thinking of like reality as something that you can change is so power, empowering to, because it's very true, um, and intersection ality, um, 18:37:55 yeah I don't know how power and intersection ality, really, other than like those experiencing experiences being power, like themselves like. 18:38:08 That makes sense. 18:38:09 So yeah, I just talked through my digestion of the other question I'm still going through it. So le 18:38:22 le then colleague is emceeing hands race but then I also want to get back to that since on it said Good luck to you later. 18:38:30 Something that Deborah said reminded me of this like Democracy Now graphic that defines power, and it says, and it like this is like an acoustic poem so person is perspective whose voice and sort of media focused but I think it's still applicable. 18:38:46 and it's perspective whose voice strives to story. Ownership whose interests are being served worldview what cultural narratives are stereotypes are being advanced facts, what impact is this story how on me. 18:39:00 And our presentation is the diversity among the kinds of people being shown. So I just thought, like, I know and that like is an acoustic poem for power, I just thought that was relevant. 18:39:12 I can like, take a picture I don't I don't have it. 18:39:23 Cool. Thank you. 18:39:21 Colleen. 18:39:24 Yeah, I agree with what everyone said so far. And something that far said, in terms of like, sociology, power and balance, really made me think about how like power isn't necessarily a bad thing. 18:39:41 I think that sometimes people can get the idea that power is bad when it's not. It's only bad when there's no balance to it. And I think that sociology helps keep that balance so everyone has power, but it's a shared power nobody has more power than anyone 18:39:56 else, but helps keeps a healthy balance, and it's a good blend between what was it a gala Terry and there's some and hierarchies. 18:40:08 So I think having that balance in relation to sociologists he helps keep them nice, I guess, I say this word too much about balance of power. 18:40:22 Awesome. Thank you. 18:40:25 Hey. 18:40:26 You want us to go back to you. 18:40:31 Yeah, I really appreciate everyone's input because I feel like it really is like a big question like what is power, you know, and the thing you said about something reality like really hit. 18:40:46 So thank you for that. 18:40:49 I think. 18:41:19 so i think i think power is just like a really big concept and people can sort of like take it and like structure, or however they want right so to be thinking about like Sochi accuracy as a way of like government. 18:41:34 And like within like instance I can ality to be thinking about, like, everyone's identity and like audio identities I want me. I wanted to me, like, I don't know, thank you for it, it's just really great to see that that you know that there's a way to 18:41:52 do that because the way that structures that like you said is that we have just under right now is like definitely not paid to so that people don't even like feel like they can exist with all their identities in this space. 18:42:11 Thank you. 18:42:13 Hey, I'm gonna give myself a turning around a turn answer the question. 18:42:19 I also love Deborah's definition of our actually read it this morning, and I feel like I was writing on it all day, because I tried to do an attempt of writing, actually a blog post on this and it was it's been on the back of my mind all day. 18:42:31 So, this feels like full circle. 18:42:33 A. I also like defining it is the ability to do. 18:42:39 Probably influenced by the fact that in Spanish, but there is like the same as Beaumont, like, yeah, we can. 18:42:58 And you've probably heard it in a chant here and there were like the name of the political party in Spain, where they wanted to. Then what else. How Are any of this relates to why PCs mission, vision and aims. 18:43:06 I think that the very basic, why what how thing of if YBC, you know, dreams of a world where New York us a are equipped with the skills to thrive and be happy, etc. 18:43:18 Then the first place to start is to do it with New York youth, you know and and like, it's as simple as that but that's that's the radical part of it it's like, oh, we want to live a city where New York City, a young people, a work together with adults 18:43:35 and they share about together then. Okay, then let's sit at a table together and share a room together and share party event in, in speaking rounds and actually do it. 18:43:44 And I guess, a, the other phrase that comes to mind when thinking of that and we're thinking of the spiral is that you know processes product, or that the road is made by walking a or that we make the road as we go. 18:44:01 And I think that's not dissimilar from the part I was mentioning of the spiral and the two energies of its not, its effectiveness and inclusion, or voices heard and effectiveness doesn't necessarily have to be, you know, make the most money in the last 18:44:18 time effectiveness is in terms of the needs, we want to meet, and the impact we want to have. 18:44:25 So in a needs based organization, hearing people's voices and taking the time to hear everyone's voice is the most effective, you know, like effectiveness doesn't just have to be in terms of product, but it can be in terms of you know how much, how much 18:44:40 do we care for each other, you know, in Spanish. It also works nicely because we say it's it as effective as it is effective, or affection. 18:44:52 Meaning, kind and loving. 18:44:55 And I think that speaks to like yeah something very, very primal and being like it just, it just feels nice to be heard it just feels nice to spend time with people. 18:45:06 And that actually enables us to do things to feel loved, feel cared for and ticket and actually get richer. 18:45:14 I'm gonna kind of switch gears to different question. We have 15 minutes left. 18:45:21 And basically, before we check out a. I'm curious to hear. 18:45:29 And I'm still have a broad idea of where I want to take the next three sessions, but not totally detailed definitely not set in stone. And so I care about having your input and your feedback of what a lot of all their songs is interesting or what didn't 18:45:53 get mentioned that you'd like to mention. 18:45:56 What are you wanting to explore more. 18:45:59 A I'm going to go reverse order, and si le then Debra. 18:46:09 Um, I really enjoyed this and I feel like I learned a lot about a concept that I really didn't know about at all before. 18:46:16 So, I really appreciate that. 18:46:20 I think this isn't a content thing. 18:46:24 But, I've just been on zoom for a really long time all day. And so, and I really enjoy sharing space with you all. But I think if the session was a little bit shorter. 18:46:36 It would just be a little bit easier for my screen time, and so I really enjoyed it. That's, that's not to say anything about the content or anything that that's just me being like on my computer all day. 18:46:46 That's my one piece of feedback. 18:46:51 Thank you. 18:46:59 I can go but I'm also wondering far since you said that you might be heading off earlier. Do you want to interrupt around and then I'll go after you. 18:47:08 Yes. Okay, um, thank you, Samantha and Ellie. 18:47:13 Um, so, I think one feedback I have is like having just like resources like take away with us, like any articles websites whatever is always really helpful and like even videos like you know we all have like different ways that we learn best. 18:47:28 So, yeah, just having those like a resources, always look at and just take away with us. and I will be heading off. Thank you, yo. 18:47:37 If you want resources, check out the links that I put in the chat and I can put them again in the chat and a couple of readings. 18:47:50 Yes, I can diversify me, the use and the next one. 18:47:53 Here's one link loop. 18:48:08 Thank you for noticing that and interrupting the round Deborah, you want to go. 18:48:14 I'm very curious about the evolution through feedback part I think those, I think that part is the least institutionalized part of sociology with any power coalition 18:48:27 I'm loved how much we were able to learn from one another, cuz. 18:48:33 Yeah, you're just like this conversation about power was very surprising to me, and I see some quotes of what people said like especially Carter LEED what he had said around, starting with. 18:48:48 I think sometimes people can get the idea that power is bad when it's not and it's always bad when there's no balance to it, so lovely. 18:48:56 Um, so that I appreciated. I also think shorter would have been better. 18:49:02 And the part that I got the most last that was definitely a social technology piece, 18:49:10 super helpful. 18:49:13 Awesome. 18:49:14 William, anything that you'd like to explore more. 18:49:24 I feel like everyone said it already, but I just really like this training but in terms of exploring more every day. These literally everything intrigued me, especially the thing that balance between egalitarianism and hierarchy, and just overall, I think 18:49:44 just every week, honestly, is that a bad answer. 18:49:48 I'm going to say that no such thing as a bad answer Khadija anything you want to explore further 18:49:59 know I think I'm all good. 18:50:01 Thank you. 18:50:06 Hey, curling, or did you already go. I don't think you've done this. 18:50:12 Nope. Um, I would like to explore more how we can track our sociology practices to make sure that we're passing it in our circles. And then also maybe, I don't know if this, I guess is kind of least like governance, but maybe transition of power is as 18:50:29 we kind of been practicing but to learn a little bit more about that. And then, handling like conflicts, if there's like a certain practice and associate accuracy, on how to go about that or just holding each other accountable. 18:50:42 But yeah, other than that I think this was a great session. Thank you, Ellie. I think it was a great session and yeah i agree i think to be like a little bit shorter maybe like an hour, an hour 30 minutes but other than that. 18:50:54 Thank you so much. 18:51:01 Awesome. 18:51:04 So I thought it'd be good to explore. 18:51:07 I don't know if this counts as exploration, but I'm really excited to read the readings that you sent the message of natural flow and the one on tyranny. 18:51:18 And hopefully I'll be able to find other readings that are kind of related to it. 18:51:27 If you get real interested by them. The journey one is on the sofa blog and the sofa blog has quite a diverse, a. 18:51:37 The selection of content it's all related to car so theocracy but like some of it is really focused on like how tos and super just like buy the book how to do some, you know, typical facilitation and stuff like that. 18:51:48 And then some others get more abstract and do less things like what is power, and things like that and so anything in between that range you'll find a, and if you end up liking Joe Freeman's reading. 18:52:02 I have a feeling that it's, it's probably from a book that gets in the bit that I shared is probably a selection from something bigger. If you, if you're into that I actually haven't gotten deeper into, into her stuff. 18:52:18 And if anything else you want to explore. 18:52:23 Yes, it's like the agent side, okay. 18:52:30 It's okay. 18:52:31 I think all the information was helpful feedback I think maybe if we did like rounds. While we while like the information was shared out like between the tools as just for me though because like I tend to just forget like the information that was shared 18:52:53 first and kind of just remember, like the last pieces. 18:53:01 Thank you so much. 18:53:05 Hey Julissa. 18:53:08 Thank you. I definitely agree with him that I didn't know it until she just named it but I also take a long time to process things so conversation and hearing others perspectives of like the info we just talked about would be helpful. 18:53:25 Um, And, yeah, just 18:53:30 sharing with each other like what comes up like you shared like the spiral theory that like you came up with like, I'm inviting everyone in the space to kind of do that. 18:53:41 Yeah. 18:53:44 Cool. 18:53:46 Hey, did I miss someone anyone else feedback before we check out 18:53:55 on this already in the checkout. How are you leaving the session. 18:54:02 And then, 18:54:07 um, I mean leaving very informed and excited to see how we implement the schools and 18:54:20 Samantha. 18:54:22 I'm leaving curious, I really want to learn more and do my own research. So thank you. 18:54:30 Awesome. Carlene. 18:54:34 I'm leaving feeling clarified. I don't know if that makes sense. 18:54:43 Khadija. 18:54:46 Yeah, everything else says based on. I want to see where things go. 18:54:54 And I'm all good here aligned. 18:54:59 Cool. 18:54:58 William. 18:55:02 I'm leaving feeling intrigued and wanting to learn more. 18:55:08 Or give myself a turn to check out. 18:55:12 I'm feeling really happy actually really energized. 18:55:16 This is the usual time like afternoon, a when I communicate them to a PC, and when others are members can meet. 18:55:24 And I usually don't do computer stuff in the afternoon because I just feel so sleepy. After eating, and also like my mind feels dispersed. So I do other things like read or exercises on a, but this time it wasn't the case because I was totally nervous. 18:55:37 And so I cannot feel sleepy. 18:55:40 A. And now, a very very energized and very happy and I love the way it went. And this happens to me oftentimes in workshop regular intervals and like oh god sharing space with people and like having my voice be heard and talking and then hearing other 18:55:54 speaking, keeping track of time in terms of, then I actually do it. And it's not just not bad, it's great it's really fun. It's awesome to spend time with you and I love it. 18:56:02 Thank you so much. 18:56:04 Julissa and Deborah. 18:56:07 Thank you, um, I'm leaving the space, open, I think I'm really taking what you shared multiple times have like two extremes that like our are presented to us as extremes. 18:56:21 But really, like, just represents the flow of life, like how you have to really like, be open to both. 18:56:26 Um, so I appreciate that and I want to appreciate you for hosting our first training, Eric, and went really well I think I enjoyed how like it was short, it was two hours but like the slides themselves were impact with content. 18:56:43 And we had like 30 minutes at the end to, you know, have a nice discussion I think I 18:56:54 can ensure something quick before we go to the slides by the way since I shared with you. If you wanna if you wanna like use them for anything please go ahead and make a copy and distribute freely and make it your own and change it and so and just make 18:57:09 sure you include that. 18:57:11 They all have the sofa logo at the bottom and the license and as long as that stays intact, go ahead and use it. 18:57:23 There 18:57:23 is no very excited, learned a lot. I am so impressed with your timing skills, Eric. 18:57:33 Have you thing. 18:57:36 Um, could you, I have a request which is could you send out an image, could you send out more information about social social obviously for all as a resource and then I encourage everyone who's like I'm really curious I want to learn more, to, to go ahead 18:57:52 and do that because Eric is just is one of many community members we're all making socially obviously accessible. And I'm thinking, like, there are definitely some enjoying the Facebook group could read the things but also the other sofa members, because 18:58:11 it's really, again a really cool community, and there are a lot of training opportunity to us, and I'm thinking with five you see if we want to do, external training to get to like a whole other level of governance. 18:58:23 I will fight for, I will say that we should we could pay for it. I think we'll have to talk about this internally than the business goal but like that would be ideal. 18:58:39 Awesome. Thank you. Yes, I'm all for redirecting folks to sofa. A also, as Debbie said, I'm not just one more community member but anything and everything I know about to secrecy I learned from sofa.